Showing posts with label cheating spouse. Show all posts
Showing posts with label cheating spouse. Show all posts
Friday, July 3, 2009
Sanford Infidelity Expanding Our Understanding?
Governor Sanford's infidelity has certainly gotten a lot of attention, but what is all the outrage, shock, and finger pointing about really? If we're not Mrs. Sanford or one of their children, what's it to us?
As Byron Katie has pointed out, there are only three kinds of problems - - my problems, your problems, and God's problems; and two of those categories are not our business. If we are staying with our own business, it seems odd that on a personal level infidelity, cheating spouses, and adultery elicit anything other than sadness, discouragement, or confusion. People are human after all.
And yet people are angry. What is different about how react to it in people in leadership positions? Why are we angry when we hear about their cheating on their spouses? Why do we act as if they have done something to us similar to what they have done to those accepted their commitment?
A way of looking at it that struck a chord with me was expressed in the Daily Tar Heel newspaper at the University of North Carolina today that asserted that the core issue in infidelity is one of whether this person is able to place keeping a commitment above self interest or not. In the case of a public official we are concerned that they are able to manage their desires well enough to fulfill their commitments to all of us.
I like that. We put this person in a position of trust that does affect us and they have shown us that they aren't up to keeping that kind of promise.
Of course it doesn't even start to address how one is most likely to be successful at meeting that high, admirable, and ( I think ) appropriate standard given that we are (as previously mentioned just in case you had forgotten) . . . . human.
Apparently faith wasn't enough for Governor Sanford, though without questioning his sincerity, demonstrably he still fell short.
Of course no one knows, but at this point my suspicion is that our efforts to be good people and to try to deny and suppress those parts of ourselves that are capable of doing bad things is at the heart of the problem.
You can find more consideration of this and related topics with particular focus on those of us old enough to know better but alive enough to still do dumb things at my website, www.better-reationships-over-50.com.
As Byron Katie has pointed out, there are only three kinds of problems - - my problems, your problems, and God's problems; and two of those categories are not our business. If we are staying with our own business, it seems odd that on a personal level infidelity, cheating spouses, and adultery elicit anything other than sadness, discouragement, or confusion. People are human after all.
And yet people are angry. What is different about how react to it in people in leadership positions? Why are we angry when we hear about their cheating on their spouses? Why do we act as if they have done something to us similar to what they have done to those accepted their commitment?
A way of looking at it that struck a chord with me was expressed in the Daily Tar Heel newspaper at the University of North Carolina today that asserted that the core issue in infidelity is one of whether this person is able to place keeping a commitment above self interest or not. In the case of a public official we are concerned that they are able to manage their desires well enough to fulfill their commitments to all of us.
I like that. We put this person in a position of trust that does affect us and they have shown us that they aren't up to keeping that kind of promise.
Of course it doesn't even start to address how one is most likely to be successful at meeting that high, admirable, and ( I think ) appropriate standard given that we are (as previously mentioned just in case you had forgotten) . . . . human.
Apparently faith wasn't enough for Governor Sanford, though without questioning his sincerity, demonstrably he still fell short.
Of course no one knows, but at this point my suspicion is that our efforts to be good people and to try to deny and suppress those parts of ourselves that are capable of doing bad things is at the heart of the problem.
You can find more consideration of this and related topics with particular focus on those of us old enough to know better but alive enough to still do dumb things at my website, www.better-reationships-over-50.com.
Friday, June 26, 2009
Are Senior Relationships Mostly Chickens Coming Home To Roost?
Are most senior relationships either monuments to "settling" or just plain awful . . . or is it just the crowd I am aware of? Or, . . . . do we just not care as much about anything as we get older? As a group are we a stable boring bunch or cynical cheaters, adulterers, backroom porn customers, lonely drinkers . . . . or is there something better somewhere else that everyone knows about that I missed when I last looked around?
I certainly do not claim to know the answers to this, but I do know that people look at me kind of funny when I say that I prefer to do things with my wife, that I don't have side conversations about which I don't tell her, that we are as involved in all aspects of our lives as we were when we first met.
Over a quarter century ago now a favorite aunt was waxing eloquent one evening about how one settles into a relationship in such a way that sex and love are assumed and don't need to be affirmed all the time. To which her husband, arguably as perfect a gentleman as I have ever met, spoke up saying "If that is your idea of marriage then I say that your idea of marriage is a crock of shit." That really got my attention especially since I had never heard him talk that way.
I recounted the story to another aunt who smiled and said "Yes. He is and always has been a genuine romantic." I already knew that she and her husband were real romantics too. They both assured me that they had their share of arguments and didn't agree on everything, that they just did it behind closed doors, but I never saw a hint of that. Just genuine affection and mutual respect. If they said they kept that even when they were angry with each other, I believed it. I still do.
I chose to pursue the latter. Truthfully it has been quite a challenge, but not one I intend to back away from. And that's where it stands now.
I certainly do not claim to know the answers to this, but I do know that people look at me kind of funny when I say that I prefer to do things with my wife, that I don't have side conversations about which I don't tell her, that we are as involved in all aspects of our lives as we were when we first met.
Over a quarter century ago now a favorite aunt was waxing eloquent one evening about how one settles into a relationship in such a way that sex and love are assumed and don't need to be affirmed all the time. To which her husband, arguably as perfect a gentleman as I have ever met, spoke up saying "If that is your idea of marriage then I say that your idea of marriage is a crock of shit." That really got my attention especially since I had never heard him talk that way.
I recounted the story to another aunt who smiled and said "Yes. He is and always has been a genuine romantic." I already knew that she and her husband were real romantics too. They both assured me that they had their share of arguments and didn't agree on everything, that they just did it behind closed doors, but I never saw a hint of that. Just genuine affection and mutual respect. If they said they kept that even when they were angry with each other, I believed it. I still do.
I chose to pursue the latter. Truthfully it has been quite a challenge, but not one I intend to back away from. And that's where it stands now.
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Tuesday, January 6, 2009
Coping With Infidelity
Infidelity happens . . . a lot (if published statistics can be trusted.)
Even if you cut the estimates that are thrown about in half, it's still a lot. Too much for something that is so corrosive to everyone involved.
So, once you know it has happened, how do you cope? You do have to cope whether--
Even if you cut the estimates that are thrown about in half, it's still a lot. Too much for something that is so corrosive to everyone involved.
So, once you know it has happened, how do you cope? You do have to cope whether--
- it is still going on right now
- it has just ended
- it was 23 years ago and it never quite goes away.
There is quite good information on the things you have to accomplish to cope with infidelity.
The problem that I see is that even when you have determined what you need to do, you still are left with how to do it.
And, the "how to" part is the sticking point. Each of us steps into these emotionally charged situations with our own baggage (our own history, our own beliefs, and our own type of social support.) That means that while knowing that we have to accomplish "a", "b", and "c" to come out the other side back on our feet, reasonably sane, the actual path that we walk in doing it has to be fit to us.
One size does not fit all.
Wednesday, November 12, 2008
Infidelity Becoming Normal
Does that make it not cheating?
Infidelity is becoming so prevalent that it may be considered the norm, if not now, soon, some researchers say.
In a thought provoking blog post on infidelity, Genevieve Beaulieu-Pelletier, a PhD candidate at the Universite de Montreal’s Department of Psychology and author of a new study, is quoted as saying that
Of course, this is a researcher talking and all the caveats about research apply--
It is, however, as noted earlier, food for thought. Is infidelity really cheating if we know going into a relationship that 40 - 76% of people undertaking this venture are going to experience infidelity to that relationship? Or, is it the norm, an expected part of a relationship? That seems to be the gist of the post.
I don't know.
If you bought a toaster that you knew delivered electric shocks to 40 - 76% of people who used it, would you have grounds for a lawsuit if you bought it figuring you would be one of the 24-60% who didn't get shocked? I mean, those other people who got shocked were probably careless, right? And it is a beautiful toaster for a very good price.
Well, that example didn't clear anything up for me. Afterall, when you're in love when have rules, probabilities, or anything else ever mattered? That's just part of the romance stage of relationship development.
For me, I think that our mothers had it right when they told us that just because "everyone" was jumping off a cliff, that didn't make it a good idea. However you frame it, whether you call it cheating or not, infidelity is very painful, destructive behavior.
In a thought provoking blog post on infidelity, Genevieve Beaulieu-Pelletier, a PhD candidate at the Universite de Montreal’s Department of Psychology and author of a new study, is quoted as saying that
- studies suggest that the chances of a relationship suffering from infidelity are now somewhere between 40% and 76%
- such high numbers have implications for what is considered normal
- infidelity correlates strongly with an avoidant relationship personality style
- avoidant relationship style is most often a result of poor parenting
Of course, this is a researcher talking and all the caveats about research apply--
- we don't know how strong the observed correlations were (statistically significant and real are often two different things)
- we don't know if the respondents were telling the truth (we do know that males often exaggerate reports of sexual behavior of all sorts to researchers)
- we don't know who the respondents were
- if you've ever taken an abnormal psychology class, you know that defining normal is very difficult (just because "everyone" is doing it doesn't make it right)
It is, however, as noted earlier, food for thought. Is infidelity really cheating if we know going into a relationship that 40 - 76% of people undertaking this venture are going to experience infidelity to that relationship? Or, is it the norm, an expected part of a relationship? That seems to be the gist of the post.
I don't know.
If you bought a toaster that you knew delivered electric shocks to 40 - 76% of people who used it, would you have grounds for a lawsuit if you bought it figuring you would be one of the 24-60% who didn't get shocked? I mean, those other people who got shocked were probably careless, right? And it is a beautiful toaster for a very good price.
Well, that example didn't clear anything up for me. Afterall, when you're in love when have rules, probabilities, or anything else ever mattered? That's just part of the romance stage of relationship development.
For me, I think that our mothers had it right when they told us that just because "everyone" was jumping off a cliff, that didn't make it a good idea. However you frame it, whether you call it cheating or not, infidelity is very painful, destructive behavior.
Saturday, November 8, 2008
GPS Lingerie
Infidelity/Cheat Buster?
Infidelity of cheating spouses may be facing a serious challenge. (Or, maybe not. It has stood up to a lot of heat over the centuries and come out stronger than ever.)
Just when you thought that relationship craziness had gone about as far as it could go, brace yourself - - GPS lingerie!
No, it's not designed to facilitate the finding of a misplaced brassiere.
The embedded chip is designed to make it possible to keep track of the location of a beloved wearer of said lingerie at all times, from anywhere with computer access. Not surprisingly, people are already calling it the new chastity belt.
Wow! And I thought cell phones were amazing. How about this one? Heard about it on the NPR show "Wait, Wait. Don't Tell Me" today. They swore it was for real. Hmm.
Does the wearer know the thing is in there? If so, why not just drop your bra off at the library, go where you want to go and pick it up on the way home? How long before some eager entrepeneur comes up with just such a service? (Well, it's no crazier than the product itself.)
Stand by. It is only a matter of time until someone will be surgically embedding these things inside people's bodies . . . . "You say you'll never cheat on me again? You'll do anything to come back? . . . well, there is something you can do."
James Thurber's "war between men and women" marches on!
Isn't there anything else we can do?
Just when you thought that relationship craziness had gone about as far as it could go, brace yourself - - GPS lingerie!
No, it's not designed to facilitate the finding of a misplaced brassiere.
The embedded chip is designed to make it possible to keep track of the location of a beloved wearer of said lingerie at all times, from anywhere with computer access. Not surprisingly, people are already calling it the new chastity belt.
Wow! And I thought cell phones were amazing. How about this one? Heard about it on the NPR show "Wait, Wait. Don't Tell Me" today. They swore it was for real. Hmm.
Does the wearer know the thing is in there? If so, why not just drop your bra off at the library, go where you want to go and pick it up on the way home? How long before some eager entrepeneur comes up with just such a service? (Well, it's no crazier than the product itself.)
Stand by. It is only a matter of time until someone will be surgically embedding these things inside people's bodies . . . . "You say you'll never cheat on me again? You'll do anything to come back? . . . well, there is something you can do."
James Thurber's "war between men and women" marches on!
Isn't there anything else we can do?
Wednesday, October 8, 2008
When Your Man Is Cheating
When your husband is cheating, there is the question of whether you should confront the other woman or not. It certainly can be a scary possibility, but apparently it can be worth doing . . . if you do it right.
Given that being the partner who finds out that they are being cheated on often results in emotions very similar to those experienced in PTSD, getting out of a passive role has the possibility of being very therapeutic . . . again, if you do it right.
Dr. Robert Huizenga discusses confronting the other woman and gets specific about what to do and why in a recent post on one of his sites on the topic of infidelity.
Looking at the questions that the coach asked in this article we can get some ideas about why and how one might go about this.
Should you talk to the woman who has been with your cheating husband? I don't think that anyone can really answer that for you. Certainly doing it impulsively, without a plan and a reason, lowers your chances of having it turn out to be a long term positive.
Getting an overview of infidelity before you move into your own specifics and the actual decision making about whether to confront or not and how you will do it is probably well worth the effort.
Given that being the partner who finds out that they are being cheated on often results in emotions very similar to those experienced in PTSD, getting out of a passive role has the possibility of being very therapeutic . . . again, if you do it right.
Dr. Robert Huizenga discusses confronting the other woman and gets specific about what to do and why in a recent post on one of his sites on the topic of infidelity.
Looking at the questions that the coach asked in this article we can get some ideas about why and how one might go about this.
- What is the purpose for doing it? What do you hope to accomplish? to learn? to understand? to make happen?
- What do you plan to do with what you find out? Are you really looking for new information, or are you seeking to make a case for what you have already decided?
- Are you ready for how you will deal with the possible strong emotions that you are likely to encounter from the other person and within yourself? Playing out as many possible scenarios as you can think of in your head in advance of a stressful situation has been shown to result in a better performance in the actual situation, even if what actually happens is different from anything you had prepared for. (For more on this see Psychocybernetics by Maxwell Maltz, MD. It's an old book, but extremely useful and a pleasant read.)
- What support do you have in place to process what you find out?
Should you talk to the woman who has been with your cheating husband? I don't think that anyone can really answer that for you. Certainly doing it impulsively, without a plan and a reason, lowers your chances of having it turn out to be a long term positive.
Getting an overview of infidelity before you move into your own specifics and the actual decision making about whether to confront or not and how you will do it is probably well worth the effort.
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Thursday, July 31, 2008
Does Infidelity Ever Die?
Talk to anyone who has ever been caught in an affair, admitted to an affair, or seriously accused of being in an affair and one thing you will hear over and over is that nothing they do or don't do seems to make any difference. It is always hanging over them.
Talk to anyone who has caught their partner in an affair, had their partner admit to an affair, or who has seriously thought their partner was having an affair without being able to prove it or get a confession and the one thing that you will hear over and over is that there seem to be nothing that makes them feel safe again.
Apparently, how surprised you are by your partner cheating correlates directly with how bad it is for you, how hard it is to move on.
This is why finding out that your partner, lover, spouse has been unfaithful to you leads to a form of post traumatic stress disorder. The theory goes something like this - -
- We live in a very uncertain and dangerous world and there isn't much we can do about it. The incidence of bad things happening may be low, but it is always there.
- To survive and manage the uncertainty, we act as if it isn't going to happen to us. As long as it doesn't, this strategy works pretty well.
- When the unimaginable does happen to us or to someone close to us and this strategy is torn from us, our internal environment becomes very unstable. In other words our mind/body/emotional system freaks out.
- Getting back is possible, but tough.
Moral to the story? If you decide to mess around, if you allow yourself to be convinced to cheat, if you think that you are just too wonderful for only one person, if you find yourself slipping into infidelity and don't do anything to stop it, you are setting yourself for disaster.
You will probably blow your relationship up and if you avoid that you'll be taking on baggage that you'll lug around for a long long time. Ask anyone who's tried it.
Tuesday, April 29, 2008
Survive the Affair
Affairs deliver a huge body blow to any relationship, whether they are
They aren't something that anyone can reasonably be expected to know what to do about, whatever role you are in. It just isn't that kind of thing.
Which is why I support getting and using advice information from a professional who has spent years working with people in the throes of affairs and their effects. A readily available and affordable source can be checked out by clicking HERE.
And do me a favor, would you? Tell me what you think of both the free information that you find there and any of the services and products that you may buy too. It looks quite good to me, but everyone has their own specific needs.
- suspected, but not proven
- have recently been discovered
- are still going on
- have recently stopped
- occurred a long time ago, but the hurt, confusion, and lack of trust live on.
or . . . .
They aren't something that anyone can reasonably be expected to know what to do about, whatever role you are in. It just isn't that kind of thing.
Which is why I support getting and using advice information from a professional who has spent years working with people in the throes of affairs and their effects. A readily available and affordable source can be checked out by clicking HERE.
And do me a favor, would you? Tell me what you think of both the free information that you find there and any of the services and products that you may buy too. It looks quite good to me, but everyone has their own specific needs.
Wednesday, March 19, 2008
Affairs Are Yesterday's News - So?
Apparently, extra-marital relationships and their effects are nothing new or surprising to a majority of Americans polled recently. At least that's what it says here in USA Today.
But even though most of us know someone who's been involved in one, they're still a really hurtful mess. Right?
What's the deal? It's sort of like smoking, cars, or wars.
Last time I heard the numbers the number of people who die from the effects of smoking tobacco each year are somewhere around what would happen if a jumbo jet full of people were to crash and kill everyone every day for a year. We'd never put up with an airline safety record like that.
Again, though my numbers aren't exact I think the number of people killed in the US annually in automobiles is somewhere between 40 and 50 thousand. Every year. But we have to drive, right? I guess so. I'm not sure. And do I have to drive with half-blind, drunken, aggressive idiots? I guess so. I'm not sure. Maybe I'm one of those in the eyes of someone else.
Sometimes you'll hear someone note that it's safer to be in Iraq than to drive across the country in a car or to smoke. Is that right? Could be, but what the heck does that mean to me? There's something about other people trying to hurt or kill me than makes it different. Right? Maybe.
Which brings us back to affairs. Are they like cars and cigarettes, . . . or wars? And, does it matter?
But even though most of us know someone who's been involved in one, they're still a really hurtful mess. Right?
What's the deal? It's sort of like smoking, cars, or wars.
Last time I heard the numbers the number of people who die from the effects of smoking tobacco each year are somewhere around what would happen if a jumbo jet full of people were to crash and kill everyone every day for a year. We'd never put up with an airline safety record like that.
Again, though my numbers aren't exact I think the number of people killed in the US annually in automobiles is somewhere between 40 and 50 thousand. Every year. But we have to drive, right? I guess so. I'm not sure. And do I have to drive with half-blind, drunken, aggressive idiots? I guess so. I'm not sure. Maybe I'm one of those in the eyes of someone else.
Sometimes you'll hear someone note that it's safer to be in Iraq than to drive across the country in a car or to smoke. Is that right? Could be, but what the heck does that mean to me? There's something about other people trying to hurt or kill me than makes it different. Right? Maybe.
Which brings us back to affairs. Are they like cars and cigarettes, . . . or wars? And, does it matter?
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Friday, January 4, 2008
Caught? Want to Come Back? (reasons for infidelity are no help)
Sorry guys. If you want to keep your primary relationship and you've been caught in an affair, you'd best say you're sorry and go from there.
At least that's what Dr. Marie H. Browne says according to an article on infidelity, adultery, cheating, messing around, etc in the NY Times that you can access here.
What you do if you want back and you're not really sorry for whatever reason was not discussed in the article. I think that's the one I really want to read.
They did point out that saying "Well, you won't ______________. What do you expect?" Won't cut it.
In a committee of two where you can't decide on a conflict by voting, where do you go in the next step, especially if __________________ is really important to you?
Some places to start are spelled out on my website, www.better-relationships-over-50.com, but truly creative loving solutions to these dilemmas seem to have some spark that uses techniques, effective beliefs and all that and then goes further.
Any insights into the "further" part?
Friday, December 28, 2007
Internet Infidelity
If a relationship is only on the internet and no real life contact is ever made, is it an affair?
That clearly is a matter of opinion and the answer depends on the meaning you place on the word "affair".
If an affair, a case of infidelity, is a "go-directly-to-divorce-court" card, then I would say that an internet relationship would better not be categorized as an affair. It will undermine the primary relationship. It will let off pressure that would best be dealt with in the primary relationship. It doesn't help anything in the long run and is likely to lead to some real time trouble.
And, it isn't fair. You don't even really know who is on the other end of that wire in the first place. Also, they don't have to deal with all of the parts of a real relationship, so they can seem to be better than they really are. And even if they are truly wonderful people, they just don't have to deal with as much with you.
It's not unlike one partner going to a therapist and then judging the other partner from there. It isn't fair either. Sure the therapist is more understanding and appreciative. They get to see you an hour a week and then go home to their own problems.
Ah, what about being with a partner who is repelled by your sexual kinks so you leave them alone on that, getting your needs met by imaginary relationships with more open-minded folk you ask? Same principles hold, but that one is a little more complicated, isn't it? Still, these kinds of things are telling us what we need to deal with in ourselves, not what our partners should do or that we need new partners.
Internet relationships? Tempting, but better left alone. Or, use them to highlight what you'd like to get more in your real relationships, but never count them as the real McCoy.
Tuesday, December 4, 2007
If There Is No Sex, Is It an Affair? Is It Infidelity?
When it comes to relationships is "No Sex - No Infidelity" the equivalent of the sports saying "No Harm - No Foul"?
In an interview in the December 2007 issue of the Harvard Business Review, John Gottman, PhD, says no. The most important things that lead to harm from relationships outside the primary relationship is more about friendship, feeling appreciated, feeling listened to, feeling valued than about sex.
He made a powerful case for this point of view. What he didn't do was really give, me at least, much of an idea of what to do to keep it from happening and wrecking your relationship.
It was clear that if you can't both go to the party, then the two of you had better do some pre-planning an have a non-defense treaty about how you'll talk about it after.
While not saying it explicitly, Dr. Gottman was clearly calling for some attention to the relationship before the inevitable unexected comes along.
Find some general discussions and advice at www.Better-Relationships-Over-50.com.
Friday, November 16, 2007
Infidelity in Relationships Over 50
Infidelity may seem less likely as we get older, and there are logical reasons why this is could be so, but by this point in our lives habits and unresolved personal baggage can have a way of counteracting lessening of hormonal push. Sex may not be quite so compulsive, but the need to feel important and/or appreciated can be higher.
The core of dealing with cheating or fear of cheating in long term relationships is keeping the quality of the primary relationship high and keeping our mood and intention positive.
Sometimes, gnawing doubts make that almost impossible to do. If you think that a cheating spouse or partner may be what's affecting your relationship, before you call the private investigator you might want to educate yourself on how to read signs of infidelity giving yourself a fair chance to get your own personal inner work straight on the topic before confronting it with your partner.
You have lots more choices when you know what's going on.
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